So, is THIS a ‘Hate Crime’?

LiveLeak: Violence in Another McDonald’s Almost Kills Customer

I’ll let you click over for the video–it’s tough to watch–but, in the meantime, here’s the synopsis from LiveLeak:

Here is another fine example of the trend of violence in fast food restaurants. Two black females beating the hell out of a white patron, while several black employees stand by and watch. One black male manages to provide the facade of assistance to the white victim in this brutal attack.

The two black females exit, then re-enter the store to continue the beating, until a an older white woman attempts to stop them from dragging the white victim outside into the parking lot. note: the black male employees have disappeared from camera view, even though they are plenty well capable of stopping the attack.

At the end, the white victim is beaten until she has a seizure, at which point the camera operator warns the black female attackers to flee, because the police are on the way. Note: he makes sure to repeatedly tell the criminal attackers to flee, instead of keeping them there for the police to apprehend.

Watching the video, a few things come to mind.

  • If this were two white people beating the snot out of a black person, how long would it take for it to be considered a ‘hate crime,’ and would Attorney General Eric Holder and his Justice Department get involved?  Personally, I don’t think the ‘hate crime’ characterization warrants extra prosecution–there are already provisions taking intent into account in crimes like assault and battery–but if such a characterization is going to be applied in white-on-black violence, it sure should be applied in black-on-white violence as well.
  • This is why I had my concealed carry permit in Pennsylvania, and why I will have one shortly here in South Carolina.  The law states that reasonable force may be used in the defense of others, and that even deadly force may be used if there is reason to believe that another is in mortal danger.  That girl, the one left having a seizure on the floor of the McDonald’s restaurant at the end of the video, that’s somebody’s daughter — I can PROMISE you that, if armed, I would not have let that altercation reach the level where the victim was facing death.
  • If you listen to the video, you can clearly hear a manager and other people telling the perpetrators to leave before police arrive.  What the heck are we coming to?  What happened to the rule of law?


  1. KJ says:

    The inaction of the administration may be emboldening some of the angry black associations. We may soon have confirmation of the same. From The Post and Email:

    disturbing and frightening, and hopefully only an empty threat

  2. T.I.M. says:

    This is a sad and vivid illustration of how some of our society is devolving into unbridled incivility, reinforcing the need for the Second Amendment, and CCW (where available).

    BTW, Jeff, since you research vital topics so extensively, what is your personal choice for concealed carry, and why?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Rule of law, yeah right.

  4. Jeff Schreiber says:


    I have owned–and carried, legally–only three different handguns.

    The first, and my favorite, was the first firearm I ever purchased: A Sig-Sauer P226 in 9mm. While it was enormous and generally only good for carry in winter months or with appropriate clothing and the right rig, I was a damn surgeon with that thing and felt good about having 18 rounds of 9mm with me. Unfortunately, after we moved to South Carolina, we were in a tough spot financially, and I ended up selling it for much less than I should have.

    The second was a Kahr CW9, the bare-bones, cheaper model of the Kahr P9. I liked it, was a darned good shot at it, but I felt it was almost *too* light for 9mm. I ended up selling it as well.

    The third was a Kel-Tec P32. A mere .32 caliber, it wasn’t going to stop much, and I could barely hit the side of a barn with it, but I was in a position for a while when I wanted something on me at all times, and the Kel-Tec fit nicely in my pocket, no matter what I was wearing. I’ve since parted with it, too.

    Right now, I only own one firearm. (If you could see me at the moment, I am pouting.) It is a relatively inexpensive but fantastically accurate .380, and carrying it between home and work daily is becoming a chore without the CCW. I like to have it at home for obvious reasons, and I like to have it at work, too — I practice family law, and it’s not uncommon for my work to anger husbands and paramours who already are in a stressful situation.

    My ideal carry gun, knowing how I like to carry and knowing my hand size and everything, is a Kahr K9. Such a tack-driver, that gun. The 9mm round is versatile (we could go on and on and on with regards to a 9mm vs. .45 argument), and the K9 is thin enough to disappear on my hip, even with my love handles. Because it’s all metal and no polymer, it’s a little heavier (which I like) but so long as it’s being carried in a good rig–maybe a Milt Sparks VersaMax II–with a good belt–I like’s work–then all is well.

  5. Wild Bill says:

    A few points. First, I don’t really blame anyone for not jumping into the fight – you never know when it’s going to escalate and involve weapons. Each person has to determine how to react and I don’t balme anyone, even a “big guy” for deciding not to enter a physical altercation.

    Second, telling the attackers that the police are on the way is often an effective method of ending the attack. You seem to imply that they were being warned so they could escape. I’ve said the same thing in similar circumstances to try to get an attack to stop.

    Third, the thing about hate crimes is you cannot tell from this video the motivation of the attackers, which is, of course, what you need to determine if it is a hate crime (rightly or wrongly).

    Finally, you fail to note that the victim was in fact a man who the attackers caught in the women’s bathroom and who refused to leave. Not saying that justifies the prolonged attack, but certain adds a factor. If I causth a man in the bathroom my daughter was using I might be tempted to react similarly.

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