Treaty or Not, This Bear Ain’t Hibernating

Well, at least he made good on the last part of it, the portion about cutting down our nuclear arsenal (and Russia’s, too). Perhaps I’m a little bit naive, but I’ve never really understood why we need thousands of missiles at the ready, anyway; surely, the first hundred or so from both sides would do the trick, right?

All that aside, it was a brand new agreement between the United States and Russia which made news yesterday morning and, frankly, so long as it is scoured for language that would hinder our ability to construct and man missile defense systems, I’m relatively fine with it for the redundancy issues mentioned above.  On its face, cutting down nuclear arsenals as the U.S. and Russia plan to do is just fine — it’s the other language in any agreement, as well as the nature of Russia and the tendencies of this American president which have me worried.

We should remember that Russia has never been thrilled with the prospect of fixed missile defenses in Eastern Europe.  Former President George W. Bush had to work on the Polish government for a while, and when they finally agreed to allow sites on the eastern side of that nation, Russia moved missiles and other related equipment to its western border as a show of displeasure.

In abandoning Poland and leaving that fierce ally twisting in the wind by halting the land-based missile defense system promised by President Bush, Barack Obama showed his hand with regard to his feeling toward–oh, the horror!!–showing strength and commitment to defense — it makes me wonder whether, if there were indeed unfortunate language in any new agreement adversely affecting our capacity for missile defense, if the president would even have a problem with it.

Another consideration is that antagonists across the world, from Kim Jong Il in North Korea to Mahmoud Ahmadinnerjacket in Iran to the Dmitri Medvedev-Vladimir Putin puppeteering act in Russia, have felt more than comfortable testing the mettle of Barack Obama.

North Korea has conducted nuclear tests and missile tests and boasts of missiles which could reach the West Coast of America.

Iran has time and time again promised to “wipe Israel off the map” while laughing in the face of sanctions and strong language–Oh, no! Not strong language!–from the United States and United Nations and continued to develop a nuclear program.

And Russia?  Well, there’s this, from CNN, released one day before Obama announced the new agreement:

London, England (CNN) — Rare photos of Russian strategic bomber jets purportedly intercepted in British airspace show Moscow’s war machine is becoming increasingly bold, analysts said Thursday as Russia denied any territorial violations.

Britain’s Ministry of Defence released images it said were taken earlier this month of two Russian Tu-160 bombers — known as Blackjacks by NATO forces — as they entered UK airspace near the Outer Hebrides islands off Scotland’s northwest coast.

It said the March 10 incident, which resulted in crystal clear images of the planes against clear blue skies and a dramatic sunset, was one of many intercepts carried out by British Royal Air Force crews in just over 12 months.

“This is not an unusual incident, and many people may be surprised to know that our crews have successfully scrambled to intercept Russian aircraft on more than 20 occasions since the start of 2009,” Wing Cdr. Mark Gorringe, of the RAF’s 111 Squadron, said in a statement.

Be sure to check out the photos at the CNN site.  Scary stuff.

See, these nations are doing this stuff because they can, because the United States of America is already bogged down in two wars, because the American president has already proven to be more lamb than lion, and because the world’s greatest superpower is headed on a road to financial ruin.

I have little doubt that what Vladimir Putin sees in America right now is reminiscent of what he saw in his own country in the 1990s, as the former Soviet Union’s insolvency manifested itself in ways many could see happening here.  Heck, at the World Economic Forum in January 2009, Putin warned the United States against against making “simple and popular decisions in times of crisis,” against “excessive intervention in economic activity,” and against “blind faith in the state’s omnipotence.”  And what, instead, did we go on to do during Barack Obama’s first year in office?  Exactly.

So it’s no wonder that Putin and others see an opportunity to take America down a notch.  Certainly, if any American president welcomes it, it’s this one.  It’s for that reason that I worry not so much about taking a few thousand nuclear weapons off-line, but more about the fine print in any agreement signed by Barack Obama.

Incidentally, over the past week or so the most frequent question I’m asked via e-mail and in everyday conversation is, simply: “Where do we go from here?”  People see what was just signed into law, they read the writing on the wall with regard to our unsustainable fiscal track, and they have a difficult time remaining positive about the future of our nation.

Well, while much of the answer to how to reclaim America and maintain our spot in the global pecking order lies in a return to conservative values and a renewed understanding of the merits of a limited federal government and has been discussed ad nauseum here at America’s Right, another giant facet of how we can restore America was hinted at in my two favorite sentences from the CNN piece on the intercepted Russian bombers:

Experts say regardless of the exact flight paths, the increased sorties by Russian aircrafts in international airspace show Moscow is flexing its muscles as it re-emerges as a global military player.

“Russia is now an oil exporting state so they’ve got more money to spend on their armed forces after the 1990s when they were bankrupt,” defense analyst Tim Ripley told CNN.

Almost an afterthought, wasn’t it?  Yet the answer is simple.  Restoring America, in financial terms, will involve not only a massive decrease in government spending–there’s that whole “limited federal government” thing, and a great place to plug Congressman Mike Pence’s “spending limit amendment”–but an increase in revenue as well.

We don’t build anything in America anymore.  We haven’t made America attractive for business.  The way to boost revenue and foster growth is to look at the way we’re doing things now and then remember that great episode of Seinfeld in which George Costanza’s every wish was coming true because he considered his natural tendencies and did the exact opposite.

Instead of penalizing American companies and individuals for finding financial and tax loopholes overseas, let’s make our own system attractive enough to attract companies and individuals from abroad looking for places to shelter money.

Instead of forcing American companies to do more and more business overseas, let’s give American companies reason to stay and foreign companies reason to come.  A good start would be to repeal the health care reform which will cost John Deere and Caterpillar $250 million and AT&T a cool $1 billion dollars over the first quarter alone.  Another good idea would be to decrease the corporate tax rate to 12 percent — that tax burden (like the newly incurred health care costs will be) is just passed down to the consumer anyway.

And instead of being a consumer with regard to energy, let’s become a dealer.  Instead of placing a three-year moratorium on offshore drilling as this administration has done, let’s drill for our own oil in the Gulf of Mexico.  Let’s extract oil shale and build nuclear plants and harness coal energy and do everything necessary to become an exporter.  You see what it did for Russia; let’s do the same here.

Folks, I started this little piece with campaign promises made by Barack Obama about how he wished to disarm America.  In the video it’s clear that he meant for the disarming to be in a military sense, but after 14 months of this presidency it’s fairly easy to see that the disarmament reaches much further into the fabric of our nation.

The good news, though, is that the solutions are there for us to see and use.  The Russian Bear isn’t hibernating, by any means, and neither should we.

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  1. HonestAmerican says:

    Remember Jeff……

    A written agreement is only as good as the two people who sign it so, frankly, in this case, I would say we have a worthless piece of paper here……

  2. John Feeny says:

    I think what I’m going to mention here is indirectly related, but for all I know, these issues could be inexorably linked. This article makes me think about all that land in the Western part of the U.S. that is now under federal control – energy-producing land. Is there a chance that these are connected?

  3. Rootin for Putin says:

    A year later and he is still a
    President Undermining Strategic Safeguards, Youthfully
    The acronym says it all.

  4. Seeing thru a mistake says:

    WE FIGURED HIM OUT! By Ben Stein

    Why is President Barack Obama in such a hurry to get his socialized medicine bill passed?

    Because he and his cunning circle realize some basic truths:

    The American people in their unimaginable kindness and trust voted for a pig in a poke in 2008. They wanted so much to believe Barack Obama was somehow better and different from other ultra-leftists that they simply took him on faith. They ignored his anti-white writings in his books. They ignored his quiet acceptance of hysterical anti-American diatribes by his minister, Jeremiah Wright.

    They ignored his refusal to explain years at a time of his life as student. They ignored his ultra-left record as a “community organizer,” Illinois state legislator, and Senator.

    The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.

    Now, the American people are starting to wake up to the truth. Barack Obama is a super likeable super leftist, not a fan of this country, way, way too cozy with the terrorist leaders in the Middle East , way beyond naïveté, all the way into active destruction of our interests and our allies and our future. The American people have already awakened to the truth that the stimulus bill — a great idea in theory — was really an immense bribe to Democrat interest groups, and in no way an effort to help all Americans.

    Now, Americans are waking up to the truth that ObamaCare basically means that every time you are sick or injured, you will have a clerk from the Department of Motor Vehicles telling your doctor what he can and cannot do.

    The American people already know that Mr. Obama’s plan to lower health costs while expanding coverage and bureaucracy is a myth, a promise of something that never was and never will be — a bureaucracy lowering costs in a free society. Either the costs go up or the free society goes away.

    These are perilous times.. Mrs. Hillary Clinton, our Secretary of State, has given Iran the go-ahead to have nuclear weapons, an unqualified betrayal of the nation. Now, we face a devastating loss of freedom at home in health care. It will be joined by controls on our lives to “protect us” from global warming, itself largely a fraud if believed to be caused by man.

    Mr. Obama knows Americans are getting wise and will stop him if he delays at all in taking away our freedoms. There is his urgency and our opportunity. Once freedom is lost, America is lost. Wake up, beloved America .

    It is amazing to me, the people who still believe in him. He has done so much damage to this country and people are still ignorant enough to believe him. He is an embarrassment to the American people.

  5. Don in California says:

    Russia will not honor the treaty anyway. They KNOW that obama is not a legal President and nothing he signs is binding. They will insist that America live up to the treaty while they ignore it. As a ineligible President, obama cannot sign any legally binding document for the USA.

  6. Randy Wills says:

    The fear deepens, only partly by what Obama does but even more so by the realization of who he is.

    As I watched him mock the Republicans and demonstrators after the healthcare bill was passed and then, twisting the knife a little more, said, in regards to the Republican effort to repeal the bill, “go for it. I welcome that fight”, I was forced to face the fact that rather than a president of a “united” United States, we have the equivalent of a gang leader daring the other gang to invade his turf.

    Could anything be scarier for our country; a president who revels in, and provokes and promotes, the division of our citizens for the sake of his own power? I believe that we are just getting a taste of what it feels like to lose a war and be taken over by a foreign entitiy.

    Randy

  7. Patriot says:

    Standing ovation for Randy, and Don, above.

  8. Gail B. says:

    Randy, what else can you expect from a Marxist from Chicago?!

  9. Birkenstock shock says:

    This bear is not only not hibernating, watch where you step in the woods.

  10. John Buyon says:

    you people are so dumb
    I swear I say this with the most amount of respect possible, I thought that the right wing blogs would be more intelligent than the stupid shit coming from the left wing blogs, but you guys are as dumb or dumber.

    How is Obama not a legal president of the USA?
    How does a healthcare bill reduce freedoms? It reduces the freedom to pay a fortune to unaccountable Insurance companies only to have your ass dropped when you need care… yeah it takes that freedom away for sure
    Im guessing that freedoms were not under threat with the PATRIOT ACT
    Idiots Alert !!!!!! all SALT Treaties have clauses that allow for Americans to inspect Russian missiles and Russians to inspect American missiles.

    MARXIST? Ultra leftist?NOT A SCHOLAR?
    Idiots he isnt a marxist the companies under the control of the federal government were not targeted for expropriation, they came to the capitol to beg to be bailed out and taken under the protection of the state, Obama didn’t go looking for companies to take over.
    Obama is a scholar of the first degree, scholarships to Yale born in Hawaii works in Chicago, extremely foresighted in the senate even as a junior.
    I ask you which Republican President in the past 40 years was a scholar of the magnitude Obama is.

  11. Boston Blackie says:

    John-
    I have no desire to get into a pissing contest with you but….
    “Obama is a scholar of the first degree, scholarships to Yale born in Hawaii works in Chicago, extremely foresighted in the senate even as a junior.”
    You make quite the assumption about Obama’s educational backround. As the old saying goes, the hardest part of a Harvard education(and Yale in this case) is getting in. We have no idea under which umbrella did Obama get accepted. Nor do we actually know what his grades were while attending these schools. Why, because he chooses to keep them under lock and key for some reason. Remember, Kerry’s college transcripts were less impressive than Bush’s!!
    As for his foresight as the junior senator, the only foresight he had was to vote present on almost everything since coming into the public eye so as to not have a track record to be up against.
    Yes, the companies came looking for a hand out(A LOAN) which they should have been denied. They didn’t ask to have big brother making the decisions AFTER the loans are paid back. In the case of GM, putting the unions ahead in line of the investors when it came to the secured debt being paid back. Try and get investors to put money into that company again in the future, I doubt it.

  12. College v Real World says:

    I’ll take a farmer over a scholar, any freaking day of the week.
    Name one real job, any business experience, this acorn flunky has.
    I can get my African Gray parrot to vote ‘present’.
    Yeh this president is sooooo foresighted. LMAO
    Get back to me in a year or two and I’ll buy you a beer to cry in.
    None of my best friends have bombed the pentagon, or my ministers called for the damnation of America.

  13. Not much of a race says:

    This president was elected on the color of his skin, plain and simple.
    That and there wasn’t much competition for him.
    Can we be honest in here?

  14. Randy Wills says:

    To “John”.

    You certainly are showing your intellectual retardation (meaning, of course, you ought to get out more rather than being spoon fed ideological fodder). Take your comment about Obama not being a Marxist, for instance. Maybe a simple test will help to enlighten you.

    Do your research, using any of the readily available tools on the Internet, and identify every person of influence and/or close association in the context of his ideological development who is NOT either a leftist or an outright Communist. Trace the origins of his “professed” theology (Black Lberation Theology). Go in any direction you want. Read his own words in his biographies. Then make a list with two columns; one for the Marxist-leaning notables and a separate list of “Traditional Values Americans”. Then let’s see where the evidence leads.

    Oh, and by the way, there is one rule; intellectual honesty and objectivity reguired.

    Your “idiot” friend, Randy

  15. John Buyon says:

    Can you please get back to the topic of this article…? how Obama is NOT “disarming america”

    First of all The government doesn’t call the shots on companies that have paid back TARP, If the Unions were ahead of the investors that is because of some contract stipulation not because the govt made them.

    I want to know what right-wingers have against Unions?
    Also why you guys have such a fascination with ACORN…

  16. Anonymous says:

    Words of wisdom from Randy, and then cries from John to ‘get back to the topic’, topics he so often diverges from with his rants on religion and Obama worship.

    Gee, I never would have known verification would be in missile treaties.

    I’ll take acts to help fight terrorism, with sunshine clauses, over a lifetime of socialistic healthcare any day of the week.

    Yeh, those unaccountable insurance companies, they’re swimming in their 2.4% profit margin. Not to mention they are swimming in a very competitive sea.

    John needs to get back to his West Wing job and leave us alone.

  17. Seriously? says:

    Who isn’t fascinated with the moronic actions and just as moronic personalities that make up ACORN, 8:08?

  18. John Buyon says:

    Liberation theology is related to CHRISTIANITY And SOCIALISM /Social-Democracy originally grew from the writings of the Latin American independence movements, but related to the struggles of oppressed peoples worldwide, from Ireland to Columbia, and even African Anti-colonial movements. I don’t exactly like the Ideas of Liberation theology but it is certainly not evil.

    I don’t care how much profits insurance companies are making !
    I wish they made 25% profit or 50% as long as they do their job well.
    I don’t have a problem with wealth generation… But they are notoriously inefficient, cruel and malicious. That said they don’t deserve to make any money because they are not satisfying the demands of the market or society.
    But the Free market just doesn’t work for everything, please conservatives understand this and you will be set. Health care is one of those things as is Military/defense. The market works well with food, electronics, even housing to an extent… but it CLEARLY FAILS in the realm of health care.

  19. Please...... says:

    And what country do you want to cite as healthcare is magically working, John?

  20. Simplistic minds says:

    Pollyanna at 8:21

    “Dream, Dream, Dream”
    The Everly Brothers

  21. John Buyon says:

    Canada, France, England, Germany, Scandinavian Nations.
    Cheaper, larger coverage, higher quality per dollar spent.

    only thing worse about socialized health care is lack of innovation that’s it…

    so if your arguing against socialized health care please don’t bring up bullshit like “it is gonna be more expensive” or “its gonna bring up the New world order”

  22. Jeff Schreiber says:

    John, in Canada, patients have to wait months for a biopsy, or up to a year for something like cataract surgery. Patient care has become a line item on a budget, meaning that if you need a hip replacement, you’d better be one of the 26,142 such procedures budgeted for the year. If Canada’s system is so good, why do so many Canadians come here for health care? Now, you’re right about the Scandinavians, but the Swedes in particular will be the first to admit that the success of their system gas much to do with the fact that the entire country has about the same population as New York City.

    Heck, even on our own shores, find a veteran and ask him how he likes VA care.

    Furthermore, when has our government managed to keep costs down on anything? The Post Office is so unsustainable that they’re considering dropping Saturday delivery. Social Security is bankrupt. Medicare costs waaaaaaaay more than the government ever anticipated.

    Coverage will suffer. Costs will increase. There’s just no way around it.

  23. That was an ace says:

    Jeff v John
    advantage Jeff

  24. Puhleeeeze says:

    That pesky little sidebar called innovation, who needs that?

  25. John Buyon says:

    first of all I am a Canadian-American
    now that you are coming up with semi-legitimate arguments instead of just spouting stupid words like “socialism”
    both the Canadian and American systems rely on each other.

    Americans dumped by your harsh, corrupt system come to Canada to get free treatment/cheaper drugs, they need to live.
    American Big pharma comes up with new medication necessary to keep people healthy, worldwide.
    and by the way, primary care is free in Canada so we have less people that need expensive specialist and thus we can function properly with less money, and less hospital beds. Wealthy Canadians dissatisfied with the public system are COMPLETELY FREE to go to a private clinic, and pay the big bucks for high quality care if they wish !!!!
    Canada rations health care but since its the government does it, there is public control.
    in America insurance companies severely ration health care AND they are not accountable to ANYONE, so they can get away with anything.

    @ Puhleeeeze : the only legitimate argument against socialized medicine is that it slows down innovation. but we could eliminate the useless insurance ponzi scheme and just let pharma come up with the drugs people need than sell it to people under a government plan.
    But in conclusion the insurance industry is a giant useless middleman

  26. Canuck, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk says:

    Insurance a useless middleman…. yeh, the industry of government does things so much better!!, Postal Service, DMV, Medicare, Medicaid, immigration control….. you’re sn idiot.

  27. Mr Greenjeans says:

    Hey, aren’t farmers middlemen, between the crops in the field, and the grocery store? Let the government do that also.

  28. John Buyon says:

    of course dumb ass conservatives taking arguments to insane logical conclusions

    Postal service is failing cuz demand is falling it deserves to be cut… not a problem of government but a result of simple market demand and supply
    DMV would you rather have a privatized motor vehicles department? better yet lets privatize police and roads, heck the government cant do nothing right

    Medicare medicaid are not sustainable because of this insane babyish thought process of the American people. who want absolutely no tax increases yet want the generous and very efficient services the government provides. as symbolized by the idiot tea partier who said
    “take your government hands off my medicare” brainwashed by 30 years of retarded anti-government conservative propaganda
    Immigration is a problem because of corporate welfare subsidies to agribusiness that unfairly lower the cost of American food products making the small Mexican farmers uncompetitive and desperate. besides why do Mexicans come here? because of the free market you worship … there is demand for cheap labor and they are the supply, in a free market there would be very little control on immigration. so shut up canuck nyuk

    @greenjeans yes farmers are middleman! but they are NOT USELESS
    Insurance companies are middleman but They ARE USELESS
    farmers produce goods desired by society
    insurance companies produce nothing but empty promises

    and besides im tired of you idiots you lost in congress, in the public opinion and in the realm of basic morality.

    I wonder why so little of you are arguing with me here cuz your side is wrong

  29. Anonymous says:

    ha ha ha ha
    is that you Napoleon?

  30. Reboot says:

    “and besides im tired of you idiots you lost in congress, in the public opinion and in the realm of basic morality.”

    Get back to me on Nov. 3

  31. I say tomato, you say, what the hell are you saying? says:

    5:27, I have had nothing but excellent service through ALL my health insurance providers since 1969. What is YOUR problem?

  32. Randy Wills says:

    John, the reason that I wouldn’t bother to “debate” with you is because I’m still waiting for a rational response to the simple request that I made of you earler regarding the Marxist leanings of Obama’s mentors. The one oblique reference that you made in that respect (Black Liberation Theology) neatly sidestepped the fact that every historical account of its origins includes clear reference to the strong Marxist influence . All the rest of what I’ve seen from you since that invitation is a bunch of juvenile ranting and name calling. Not much room for a productive debate there.

    Randy

  33. John Buyon says:

    I will tell you exactly what will happen on Nov 3rd
    1 of 2 scenarios

    scenario 1:
    this idiot tea party movement will lash out do something violent somebody going to get hurt.
    democrats either hold their majorities or even increase their approval ratings.
    this goofy ultra-conservative christian fascist movement will be seen for what they are.
    ratings for Limbaugh, Beck and his crew fall.

    scenario 2:
    the economy improves unemployment falls to 7-8.5 %
    and democrats hold or marginally lose a few house seats and maybe 1-2 senate seats. This tea party movement withers out because the people bankrolling it withdraw their support due to the unpredictability of this pathetic “movement”

    after November 2010 republican party moves to either Ron Paul or David Frum away from Limbaugh and beck the ending of this hijacking of the center right ideology

    Randy: what Marxists are you talking about? My answer is not sidestepping anything Obama’s church has had some connection to black liberation movement linked to SOCIALISM AND CHRISTIANITY. newsflash conservatards socialism and Christianity actually agree on issues.
    How dare you question Obama’s citizenship or loyalty?
    what about Palin’s connection to secessionists ?
    both Obama and palin are patriots…
    one is an idiotic failed governor
    the other is a successful president who is going to continue his liberal policies and PISS THE SHIT OUT of you dumb asses, until 2016 :)
    go and work your little misguided butts off trying to fight against your own interests, while the rich plutocrats get away with theft, assisted by the unnecessary bush tax cuts.

  34. Randy Wills says:

    Brilliant, John, absolutely brilliant. It makes me tremble when I realize what fantastic intellectual horsepower we “dumb-ass” conservatives are up against.

    In fact, I believe that you are the perfect representative of Obama’s policies. You’re not one of his czars are you?

    Randy.

    P.S. I don’t recall talking about Obama’s birthplace or loyalty. What I asked you to reseach is “what is he loyal to?”

  35. Anonymous says:

    Hey John Buyvotes,

    plutocrat, you mean George Soros?????

  36. Can't wait for this says:

    “socialism and Christianity actually agree on issues.”

    6:10, with all your intelligence, please go into great detail on this, as it regards g o v e r n m e n t.

  37. John Buyon says:

    you mean George Soros ?? why are you people insane? dont even get me started
    Soros was a great man who funded the peaceful collapse of the evil soviet union, are you aware of this or does your history come from Glenn Beck?

    wow the right wing loves to just make up stuff don’t they…

    Randy,
    Mr. Obama is loyal to the United States of America he swore an oath to protect it, and its constitution, he is loyal to the Armed forces and he is their leader, loyal to the 69 million people who voted for him, and the 59 million who voted against him, loyal to the democratic Party, loyal to the progressive movement, loyal to the teachings of Jesus Christ, loyal to the Blue states, and the Red states, loyal to democratic ideals enshrined in the Declaration.

  38. Jeff Schreiber says:

    Without touching upon the rest, John (because I don’t have the time), I would remind you that Barack Obama’s fierce opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act most certainly does not show loyalty to the teachings of Christ.

    Jeff

  39. 20/20 blindsight says:

    Someone sounds dreadfully loyal to their idol.
    Mom was right, love is blind.

  40. Intellect MIA says:

    Wow, Soros brought down the Soviet Union. Why doesn’t he go ahead and bring down the Taliban for us then? I’m sure he made money on the collapse, just as he is positioning to make money on our financial collapse.

  41. Randy Wills says:

    Thanks, John, for your response, but how is that you know where his loyalties lie? You see, I can’t find ONE person of influence in his life who I would call either a Christian or a patriot.

    Oh sure, there are many who might call themselves by either of those terms, but show me, either by their actions or words, where any of Obama’s close friends, associates, or mentors, would be described as such by a rational, reasonable person, armed with the facts and a correct understanding of what those terms actually mean.

    A duck can call itself an eagle, but it’s still a duck, so don’t be misled by what Obama calls himself. Actually, if you read his own words, he doesn’t try too hard to mask his true loyalties.

    You sound like a passionate person. That’s good, but when ideology is substituted for truth, passion becomes a dangerous thing, often resulting in violence against the truth. The anger that you show towards those of us who disagree with you makes me think that you are dangerously close to that.

    Randy

  42. John Buyon says:

    @ Jeff, I did a very quick search on the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act”
    and I agree with you any baby born alive is automatically an American citizen protected by all the laws of the constitution, and endowed with the obvious human rights.
    but the fact that you support this bill is you admitting that fetus has no rights, so called “unborn” child has no more rights than a sperm or a zygote has. babies have rights ONLY WHEN THEY ARE BORN, that is why progressives, and I support abortion, it does not constitute murder when the organism is not yet born.
    Another reason why I find the republican party to be very silly, hypocritical and unrealistic. I see abortion as the most no-brainer issue, and unfortunately for you guys it is the law, and don’t even bother arguing it with me because there is no way I can see it your way.

    @ 20/20 hindsight: I wouldn’t call obama my idol but he is certainly transformational, and much more honest than anyone before him, I am here to give you right wingers a side that your not used to.

    @intellect MIA: I didn’t say soros brought down the soviet Union I said “he funded the peaceful collapse of the evil soviet union”
    the key word is funded, and I mean serious $$$ half a billion dollars to date in aiding central, and eastern European countries become open societies.
    whats the mater? I thought the right-wingers don’t begrudge people for their wealth?
    Sometimes I think Glen Beck is laughing his ass off making goons like you believe the most harmless people are evil :)

    @Randy : I don’t know what your definitions of Christianity and patriotism are, because from what I see he is a christian, and a patriot, and it is just a red herring to suggest otherwise.

  43. Randy Wills says:

    John, I’m going to sign off on our give-and-take because, based on the terms you use for those with whom you disagree and you inability to provide direct responses to my questions are a clear indication that your mind is made up and you refuse to consider the possibility that you may be wrong. In such cases, there is no point in debating the issues any further.

    You’re welcome to your fanatical support for Obama and his policies but just don’t try to force them on the rest of us. Freedom from totalitarian governments has been the cause of many violent conflicts. I fear that that is “coming to a theater near you”, as they say in the entertainment business.
    “Live Free or Die” is still an operative term for those who refuse to let the Constitution be shredded and our standing in the world be diminished by the simpering child in the White House.

    Randy

  44. Aww Heck, he's raggin on Beck says:

    Fund the demise of the Taliban then. And Iran while he’s at it.
    I don’t begrudge wealth, I got enough of my own.

  45. Optimus Prime says:

    “I wouldn’t call obama my idol but he is certainly transformational, and much more honest than anyone before him,”

    ROTFLMAO

    I could transform my pinky finger with a brick, that doesn’t mean it would be a good thing. Honest? OMG, I gotta go puke.

  46. Peskier than a gnat says:

    “and don’t even bother arguing it with me because there is no way I can see it your way.”

    Not to cost Jeff any click revenue, but why the hell do you come in here other than to pester those of us who have a clue? We don’t go to your sites because we are older, wiser and not from Canada. You are obviously mesmerized with your transformational leader and no amount of blogging, or thorazine, is gonna make you see the true light. Are you Soros funded, perhaps?

  47. John Buyon says:

    @ Peskier than a gnat:

    ahhh so what the liberals say about the conservatives are true, they don’t understand that they could be wrong.

    I come here to see whether I am wrong, and annoy a few right wing lunatics at the same time. :)

    and I don’t know maybe I am.
    all of you guys except randy, who seems to be the most intelligent out of all. are doing more to strengthen my belief in the correctness of liberalism

  48. Randy Wills says:

    To “John”.

    Thanks for the compliment. I sincerely enjoy an honest debate, and hope that I’m willing to be wrong when I am, because that is what I ask of others. Otherwise, what’s the point of conversation?

    To me, a good debate is like a zipper that has separated; you back it up to the point of convergence (i.e. agreement) and then work it forward, dealing with each successive obstacle until it’s “come together” at the top. In our case, I expect that the point of convergence is with the Constitution. If there’s a problem with that, then the debate is pointless.

    Randy

  49. Can't laugh, can't think says:

    So does Jon Stewart’s attempts at humor against conservatives negate his grasp of anything in your eyes? You really do seem to need a Prozac, and in 3 years all of us in here will be paying for it for you.

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