Freedom, Gone Like a Puff of Smoke

Pressure to ban smoking on military bases only a single symptom of the erosion of American freedom

What part of the word “freedom” don’t these people understand?

Today, we learn that the federal government is looking to reduce smoking rates among American military personnel . . . by banning the sale of cigarettes on military installations. Forget, for a moment, the inherent hypocrisy considering that the Commander in Chief is a smoker — not only is this the manifestation of a growing nanny state, but it also shows just how out of touch many of our government officials are about the basic fundamentals upon which this nation was founded.

We live in a free society. Just in the same way that adventurists can free-climb a cliff face, taking their life in their own hands, if somebody wants to reap the consequences of obesity and destroy their body and their life with endless amounts of trans fats, then so be it. So long as we do not run afoul of the law, we should be free to live our lives as we choose.

And yet our American servicemen and servicewomen, who unfortunately smoke at nearly double the rate of civilian America, are being told how they can go about the personal aspects of their daily lives? For crying out loud, these are the people who have sacrificed nearly everything—and in some cases, everything indeed—to fight for the freedom to smoke cigarettes, or free-climb a cliff face, or drown ourselves in Kentucky Fried Chicken, and the federal government wants to infringe upon the very freedom they provide?

It’s being done for their own good, the officials say. It’s absolutely insane, is what it is. And yet it’s on the horizon for each and every one of us, in and out of uniform.

Government-run health care will provide officials on Capitol Hill, whether they be elected, appointed or merely selected (like a czar, for instance), with a mechanism for which to slam down the heavy hand of government onto each and every aspect of American life. Much like smoking and tobacco sales could be banned from military installations because of the $846 million in associated costs touted by the Pentagon, smoking for civilians will be made more and more expensive and inconvenient through extra taxes and bans on smoking even in outdoor areas. Controlling healthcare can provide a government bent upon amassing more and more control with the opportunity to exert its will. Look for government intervention in the option to enjoy certain foods because of the downhill costs associated with obesity, heart disease and the like. Look for a nationwide decreased speed limit on America’s highways, if not for the purported energy savings, then rationalized by way of touting the healthcare costs associated with traffic accidents. Look for every single means of controlling the American public to be rationalized by an overreaching federal government, all in the name of “for our own good.”

Already we see it in the healthcare reform bill itself, containing billions of dollars in pork-barrel spending for infrastructure projects including but not limited to augmenting the lighting in urban areas, expanding playgrounds, creating bike and walking paths, and various other measures that should be the responsibility of local government, all rationalized by the idea that such things would give people the opportunity to exercise.

This government wants control. That’s what the banking bailout legislation was all about, evident in the government’s refusal to accept repayment of funds from several institutions. That’s what the cap-and-trade legislation is all about, evident in the restrictions it would place on Americans’ daily lives, right down to the local for the power outlet with which we are to charge our electric cars. And that’s what the healthcare reform proposals are all about.

Barack Obama and the Democrats do not want economic recovery, at least not yet, because their otherwise unpalatable agenda can only thrive in times of crisis. Nor do they want to pass energy form for the sake of the environment, instead they want the distribution of wealth, both among the classes here in the United States and to developing nations across the world, that such legislation would bring. And, lastly but certainly not finally, nor do they want to provide health care to everybody in the United States for the purpose of making us healthier – if they wanted that, they would foster competition among private enterprises to make healthcare cheaper and more attainable, rather than destroy the free market upon which so much of our healthcare-related ingenuity and innovation has been built.

It’s not about anything but control. And think about it – if this federal government is willing to exert its authority over the very men and women who fight for our freedom, imagine what it will do to the rest of us.

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  1. Gail B says:

    Jesus Christ! (That was simply a short prayer. He got my message!)

    A soldier steps up to the plate to defend this country, risks his life for our liberty; and sometimes is brought home in a flag-draped coffin.

    And the damned contemporary liberal Democrats won't let them buy a freaking CIGARETTE?

    I'm contacting my congressmen AGAIN! This just pure sucks!

    (Can't wait to see what Old Bob, Rix, and Claudia have to say about this!)

    VERIFY: tnest, as in tyranny nest

  2. Gail B says:

    Okay–I'm copying and pasting this one to an email and sending it to everybody I know!

  3. GET REAL says:

    So it's OK for our god Obama to light up in the oval office, but some sergeant can't light up after taking off an Al Quaeda noggin at 800 yds?

  4. ToddN says:

    While I don't like where this is heading, I can somewhat see the point in the military. Having served briefly in the late '80s I can tell you that once you join the Military your ass belongs to Uncle Sam, they can tell you what, when, where, and how. You do it and that's the way it has to be. Discipline will save your life in battle, and we fight for all the right reasons (we hope and pray). Soldiers fight for liberty, but really have none. It's part of the sacrifice we make willingly. There are a LOT of stupid where, when, if's and how's for every enlisted person to deal with, this is far from the dumbest and in reality is probably good. Soldiers are government property while they are enlisted, they should be taken care of. You wouldn't give a salt bath to your M16 everynight before hitting the sack just because you can, would you? So why do we allow our military personnel to smoke? Many of the guys I went in with did not smoke when they arrived at reception batallion, but were smokers by the time we went off to basic. I know this is a crude comparison, but it is reality. Military service is very conducive to starting some bad habits to deal with the stress.

    Back to how this affects us in the real world. The reasoning behind this is the scary thing and is exactly what Jeff talked about; a nanny society. The only reason this is being proposed is health care costs. Once they can tout some made up or inflated statistic they can begin to ban all kinds of things from cigs, alcohol, Mc.Donalds etc. and the public will largely support it because we will be paying for the 'costs' associated with all this bad stuff once public health care becomes a reality. Most people will just agree with bans on all kinds of stuff because the government will have 'proof' that it is costing taxpayers, but the real costs are the government programs.

    We're being baited and switched people, too bad most of us don't even know it. Excuse me while a get a nice glass of Scotch to wash down my Big Mac.

  5. TOUGH CROWD IN HERE says:

    I'm hurt. I'm not in Gails list.

  6. PATRIOTS NEED NOT APPLY says:

    Could this be just one more tactic for them to shrink our military power by getting young men and women to not even wanna join? It's scary how much they disdain our brave young men and women.

  7. Anonymous says:

    neither was i, ALL CAPS MAN

    –not a guy

  8. FRIDAYS AT 8! says:

    Obama is kinda like that show on Friday nights. He rides around in a black limo, and tells us how to live and raise our kids. Yeh, that's right, he's a freaking SUPERNANNY.

  9. Linda says:

    STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT ALREADY!

  10. Dee says:

    My representative in the House, a Democrat, had a phone townhall meeting the other night regarding healthcare. I was contacted to participate and did, although he did not get around to answering my questions. He insisted that the government does not want to control or take over healthcare. He stated that over and over again. He said they wanted to provide affordable health coverage for everyone. One caller, a nurse, wanted to know why he should have to help pay for healthcare coverage for someone else. The representative, Jason Altmire, said that we are already paying for those without coverage when our tax dollars go to Medicaid. He admits that Medicare, a government sponsored program, is going bankrupt. He also stated that if you like the plan you have now, you will be able to keep it. One of my questions to him is if I like my plan and have continued to pay my own premiums why should I have to pay increased taxes, or whatever means they propose to pay for this, just so someone else will have coverage. He never told how this would be paid for. Many of the callers were senior citizens who wanted to know if there would be help with their prescriptions. I was told to leave a message with my question, since he did not get a chance to answer it, and he would get back to me. I have yet to hear from him.

  11. Rix says:

    Once in a while, I feel like dissenting with Jeff on certain issues.

    It looks like conservatives are strangely selective about governmental interventions. It is okay, for example, to prosecute people for selling and even using marijuana but outlawing tobacco (which is proven to be significantly more harmful) is suddenly a privacy intrusion. Abortions and assisted suicide are sacrilege but gradually destroying one's own body is one's personal freedom. Prostitution is a sin punishable by law (even though the Old Testament approves of it) but professional sport, based on pretty much the same concept, is quite a respectable activity.

    We brand the left for hypocrisy but isn't it about time we check the mirror?

  12. tm says:

    He will not let them smoke and he will not let them fire……….

    DON’T SHOOT BACK AT TALIBAN TERRORISTS!!!

    Obama’s First Military Order

    http://thelastcrusade.org/2009/07/09/don’t-shoot-back-at-taliban-terrorists/

  13. WITHOUT PROVIDENCE? says:

    Rix,

    stoning was ok in The Old Testament too. We can play philosophy till the cows some home.

  14. Bobby K. says:

    All they want is control, it has nothing to do with health, safety or well being of the people. If they were serious about reducing health care cost, they would do something about illegal immigration, which cost tax payers billions a year. They are going after all our rights. "We the people in Order to form a more perfect Union" it's going to be, before long, "We the Government with no regards for you, know better then you what liberties you deserve or need"
    Why aren't more people speaking out. We need to be the silent Majority no more, stand up and speak for you freedoms or lose them.
    Great work Jeff, keep it up, we appreciate all you do.

  15. SMOKE, AND MIRRORS says:

    Is the biggest political crime in American history taking place right before our eyes? Is the man in the White House Ineligible, according to the Constitution, to sit in the Oval Office… is he a Fraud… is he a Usurper?

    At first the liberal elites in Washington and in the media tried to ignore the question or ridicule those who dared to ask the question.

    But – thanks to your efforts – the question will not go away… and now liberals are getting frantic… unhinged… and downright nasty.

    Now, liberals are personally attacking those who dare ask Barack Hussein Obama ("Mr. Transparency") to produce a valid birth certificate and verify to the American people that he is a natural-born citizen – and eligible under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitutionto be President.

    American music legend Pat Boone is finding that out the hard way. When Boone dared to ask that very question, the left-wing political blog Wonkette implied that Boone is a racist:

  16. Anonymous says:

    While my tax dollars pay for their exorbitant treatment (nearly all of their lifetime medical expenditures) for the last 6 months of their smoking induced lung cancer, I have no problem with this.

    We have not lived in a free society for decades. Don't believe me? Skip on some property tax (arguably unconstitutional)and see what happens. Try to "free climb" Mt. Whitney without a permit and see what happens.

    Were you just as argumentative over:
    Helmets
    Seat Belts
    Drinking age
    pornography
    florescent lights
    Efficiency requirements of vehicles
    DDT bans
    Vaccination requirements
    building permits
    Eminent domain law
    Section 8 housing requirements
    etc. etc.?

  17. TAKE OUR CIGS, TAKE OUR MONEY says:

    WASHINGTON – House Democrats plan to pay for a sweeping health care overhaul by boosting taxes on the wealthy.

    The taxes will hit households with incomes of $350,000 a year and above.

    Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel of New York said the tax would raise $540 billion over 10 years.

  18. Anonymous says:

    "We live in a free society."–Jeff Schreiber

    Not really.

    JV

  19. Bodenzee says:

    Help!!

    I have a brain dead Congress Critter.

    Look at what she told me about Cap & Trade:

    Thank you for contacting me about H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act (ACES) of 2009. I appreciate hearing from you about this important bill.

    This bill was authored by Chairmen Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Edward Markey (D-MA), and passed the House by a vote of 219-212 on June 26, 2009. While I understand that many people raised concerns about this bill, I feel very positive about my decision to support it.

    This bill will help create Maine-made and American-made solutions to our energy problems, help us break our dependence on foreign oil and make us energy self-sufficient. The best way to bring prosperity back to Maine is also the best way to end our dependence on oil and protect the environment from the effects of global warming.

    Ending our dependence on fossil fuel does not have to pit the environment against the economy – in fact, I think the transition to clean, renewable energy presents a real opportunity for Maine to strengthen its economy. People and businesses all over Maine are already undertaking groundbreaking research on energy solutions like wind blade efficiency and composite materials. It is this type of clean energy job creation that I will continue to advocate for in Washington.

    I understand that there were many concerns raised over the time that Members of Congress had to review this bill prior to voting on it. While I appreciate these concerns, I can assure you that both I and my legislative staff in Maine and in Washington thoroughly reviewed this bill. Congress has been holding hearings on energy and climate legislation for three years, this particular bill has been discussed in detail for several months and I took part in lengthy debate on each and every proposed amendment of the bill as a member of the House Rules Committee. We cannot afford to wait any longer to reform our energy policy, start creating new clean energy jobs and reduce the greenhouse gas pollution that is causing global warming.

    Thank you again for being in touch. I appreciate you sharing your concerns with me, and I hope to see you in Maine soon.

    Sincerely,
    Chellie Pingree
    Member of Congress

  20. Anonymous says:

    A soldier steps up to the plate to defend this country, risks his life for our liberty; and sometimes is brought home in a flag-draped coffin.

    And the damned contemporary liberal Democrats won't let them buy a freaking CIGARETTE or even a puff of marijuana. What a country.

  21. Bodenzee says:

    I need help communicating with idiots.

    I called the office of one of my senators to complain about not being represented. The 'child' that answered the phone informed me that the role of my senator was not to "represent" me. That was the job of my congresswoman. I asked if the 17th amendment had been repealed and the response was "What?"

    Praise the public school system.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Rix:

    Exactly WHERE in the Old Testament does it condone PROSTITUTION?

    I think you might be confused with the prevalence of POLYGAMY.

    And by the way, even though men in Old Testament times practiced polygamy, NOWHERE does it say that God approved this practice!

    God many times allows us to experience the real-life consequences of our earthly choices…He does NOT force us like robots to live a certain kind of life!

    So, I really want to know which EXACT VERSE, CHAPTER, AND BOOK leads you to the conclusion that God condones prostitution.

    Just askin"……..

    Lisa in TX

  23. Anonymous says:

    after thinking about this for a while, I'm with Rix. the VA is mandated to provide medical care for those who have been injured or impaired in the line of duty — who, in other words, could not have avoided being so. The damage you do yourself by smoking is strictly optional and self-motivated, and can be avoided. The VA will be burdened enough fiscally by the care of wounded vets from Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention many, many Vietnam vets who still need treatment but are not receiving it.

    graypanther

  24. Claudia says:

    WELL thanks GAIL, AND HELLO,
    He can BAN all he wants to, but that ain't gonna make him any more of a KING than he already thinks he is… He thinks he is going to ban sugar items, he is going to ban smoking, although he can't "quite" quit by himself, he will start banning the internet sites that we can go to, he will start banning anything that doesn't make greenism upstarts and functional, (yeah right, they are the ones who consume the most money per day, week, month just to be sustainable), pretty soon he will ban every person from exhaling all that Carbon Dioxide from our lungs so the plants can have it and re-make it back into Oxygen that we need to breathe. (I wonder what he will replace Oxygen and AIR with so we can breathe), he will ban (by way of taxes) alcohols that he deems detrimental to someone's health because he can, and because he wants to take away that inbred trait and ability to be personally responsible people who are able to say "No, this might make me too inebreiated to drive, or this might harm my lungs, waist, heart,…. " next he will ban all of the ways we get information and news that is not state sponsored, or all the books in the Libraries all over the Nation that he might not want Malia or Sascha to read….

    Gee, I wonder when he will ban drugs, such as the poppies in Afghanistan that he has told our soldiers not to step on, or the Meth that destroys life of anyone it touches, or even cars, because they are inherently UNSAFE, and what about Airplanes, and JOBS, that are not of the safest working conditions, who will be able to do those?? What about fishing, claming (those clams have tight little closures on their shells don't cha know) and boating in the ocean or even on lakes and rivers, they always have a few sinkings/overturnings and waterski accidents a year??? When will he ban the snow sports and the raising of animals, I am sure that he is close to it, because animals bite. I wonder how HE will ban fires from starting from lightning??

    How the hell are we supposed to be sooooo safe that there is NO risk in LIFE, but only the risk of a disease like a pandemic that He will take advantage of to wipe several millions of us off the face of the planet, by forcing an injection of questionable source and supposed greater good, on every citizen, by way of either mandate or direct order and fear of being put into a detention camp if the vaccine is NOT taken…??

    Welcome to Soylent Green and 1984 all at once….. I never thought it would get this bad this sadly, stinking, quickly, and I am really glad that I won't have to put up with life being banned….. I'll most likely be dead before that happens because I will stand up and tell them it is my life and I have the right to pursue my own Happiness and Liberty based on the CONSTITIUTION and they will likely gun me down…… against that very Consitution….. taht many in my family have fought and died for, so at least I won't be the only one to stand up againt the tyranny. I'll be in great company.

  25. GUESSWHAT says:

    Hey, that may be the last cigarette
    puff that hero soldier takes!! Don't sweat the small stuff!! WE
    should be more concern about our heroes getting hooked on drugs
    while overseas. THATS what we should be worried about, "drugs" not cigarettes!!!
    "There goes another one of our liberties, to choose to smoke or not."

  26. Anonymous says:

    What happens if California passes a pot bill to bail the state out? Can the military get high if stationed in the golden state?

  27. A N A R C H Y says:

    The ultimate FREEDOM?

  28. YOU KNOW IT MAKES YOU WANNA SHOUT says:

    Was Linda above yelling at ALL CAPS MAN or this administration? ROTFL

  29. BEACH CHAIR WAITING says:

    Please keep us posted on Charlie Rangel. Why do these people always get away with everything? More disgusting photos of him would make my day as well.

  30. Anonymous says:

    I say if these people are trying to dictate that our soldiers can not smoke let the Politicians strap on some combat gear and get the asses out their and fight for the freedoms of the americans. I have had it with others dicating what people can and can not do. These soldiers put their life on the line so we can have our life and liberties and fools are trying to take it away.

  31. BACK TO SQUARE ONE says:

    Any way we can start this country over from the top?

  32. PENTAGON SALUTE pt1 says:

    Joe Galloway – Co-author of "We Were Soldiers Once…. And Young"

    FRIDAY MORNING AT THE PENTAGON
    By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
    McClatchy Newspapers

    Over the last 12 months, 1,042 soldiers, Marines, sailors and Air Force personnel have given their lives in the terrible duty that is war. Thousands more have come home on stretchers, horribly wounded and facing months or years in military hospitals.

    This week, I'm turning my space over to a good friend and former roommate, Army Lt. Col. Robert Bateman, who recently completed a yearlong tour of duty in ** Iraq and is now back at the Pentagon.

    Here's Lt. Col. Bateman's account of a little-known ceremony that fills the halls of the Army corridor of the Pentagon with cheers, applause and many tears every Friday morning. It first appeared on May 17 on the Weblog of media critic and pundit Eric Alterman at the Media Matters for America Website..

    "It is 110 yards from the "E" ring to the"A" ring of the Pentagon. This section of the Pentagon is newly renovated; the floors shine, the hallway is broad, and the lighting is bright. At this instant the entire length of the corridor is packed with officers, a few sergeants and some civilians, all crammed tightly three and four deep against the walls.

    There are thousands here. This hallway, more than any other, is the Army' hallway. The G3 offices line one side, G2 the other, G8 is around the corner. All Army.. moderate conversations flow in a low buzz. Friends who may not have seen each other for a few weeks, or a few years, spot each other, cross the way and renew their friendships. Everyone shifts to ensure an open path remains down the center. The air conditioning system was not designed for this press of bodies in this area. The temperature is rising already. Nobody cares.10:36 hours: The clapping starts at the E-Ring. That is the outer most of the five rings of the Pentagon and it is closest to the entrance to the building.

    This clapping is low, sustained, hearty. It is applause with a deep emotion behind it as it moves forward in a wave down the length of the hallway. A steady rolling wave of sound it is, moving at the pace of the soldier in the wheelchair who marks the forward edge with his presence. He is the first.

    He is missing the greater part of one leg, and some of his wounds are still suppurating. By his age I expect that he is a private, or perhaps a private first class. Captains, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels meet his gaze and nod as they applaud, soldier to soldier. Three years ago when I described one of these events, those lining the hallways were somewhat different. The applause a little wilder, perhaps in private guilt for not having shared in the burden.. Yet.

    Now almost everyone lining the hallway is, like the man in the wheelchair, also a combat veteran. This steadies the applause, but I think deepens the sentiment. We have all been there now. The soldier's chair is pushed by, I believe, a full colonel. Behind him, and stretching the length from Rings E to A, come more of his peers, each private, corporal, or sergeant assisted as need be by a field grade officer. 11:00 hours: Twenty-four minutes of steady applause. My hands hurt, and I laugh to myself at how stupid that sounds in my own head. My hands hurt… Please! Shut up and clap.

  33. PENTAGO SALUTE pt2 says:

    For twenty-four minutes, soldier after soldier has come down this hallway – 20, 25, 30. Fifty-three legs come with them, and perhaps only 52 hands or arms, but down this hall came 30 solid hearts. They pass down this corridor of officers and applause, and then meet for a private lunch, at which they are the guests of honor, hosted by the generals. Some are wheeled along. Some insist upon getting out of their chairs, to march as best they can with their chin held up, down this hallway, through this most unique audience.

    Some are catching handshakes and smiling like a politician at a Fourth of July parade. More than a couple of them seem amazed and are smiling shyly.

    There are families with them as well: the 18-year-old war-bride pushing her 19-year-old husband's wheelchair and not quite understanding why her husband is so affected by this, the boy she grew up with, now a man, who had never shed a tear is crying; the older immigrant Latino parents who have, perhaps more than their wounded mid-20s son, an appreciation for the emotion given on their son's behalf. No man in that hallway, walking or clapping, is ashamed by the silent tears on more than a few cheeks. An Airborne Ranger wipes his eyes only to better see. A couple of the officers in this crowd have themselves been a part of this parade in the past. These are our men, broken in body they may be, but they are our brothers, and we welcome them home.

    This parade has gone on, every single Friday, all year long, for more than four years. Did you know that? The media hasn't yet told the story. And probably never will.

  34. Rix says:

    Re: Anonymous
    > Exactly WHERE in the Old Testament does it condone PROSTITUTION?

    I don't want to drag anyone into a religious debate but the Bible usually marks vices by attaching them to negative characters. That is clearly not the case with professional prostitution (as opposed to "temple prostitution" which is condemned). Rahab the harlot, for example, is obviously a heroine character. As for the New Testament, Maria Magdalena is the most canonical example.

  35. HARDLY CONDONING says:

    "Go and sin no more"…. said Jesus to the prostitute.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Lots of very interesting articles showing up this weekend.

    http://oilforimmigration.org/facts/

    Obama Kenyan, MSNBC verifies, Ghana visit confirms, July 10, 2009, Obama not eligible, Obama not Natural Born Citizen.
    Posted by David-Crockett on July 11, 2009
    Also posted on Citizen Wells blog.

    More important posts on first site:

    The Continent of his Birth.

    The Fed Under Fire.

    Also: Firearms Freedom Act Introduced in Florida.

    It also mentioned that there was a frenzy of scrubbing internet sites going on by the Dems.

    I think I read that BO was on his way back to the USA – the above may be the reason for the haste.

    We can only hope and pray that this is the good news for which we have waited.

    Strange as it seems, since the movement to audit the Fed introduced by Ron Paul, which at first was all but ignored, there are now a large number of Dems backing the proposal.

  37. Anonymous says:

    You folks that say smoking is bad for your health, yes your right about that but your missing "THE BIG PICTURE"
    We as Americans, are suppose to be free to make those choices ourselves. If someone wants to smoke, let them be, it's their body
    You will not protect the body of an unborn baby but you want to tell another citizen they can't smoke? PLEEESE!

  38. Rix says:

    Re: HARDLY CONDONING
    > "Go and sin no more"…. said Jesus to the prostitute.

    Uh oh. First, the woman's sin was adultery, not prostitution; adultery is clearly named as a sin in the Ten Commandments. Second, you ripped part of the quotation: Jesus refuses to condemn her. Here's the full version:

    John 8:11
    "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

  39. Rix says:

    Re: HARDLY CONDONING said…
    > "Go and sin no more"…. said Jesus to the prostitute.

    Uh oh. First, the woman's sin (for those who forgot John 8:3-11) was not prostitution but adultery, which is clearly marked as sin in the Ten Commandments. And second, ripping parts of the Holy quotation is a sin unto itself; here is the full version:

    And Jesus said unto her, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

  40. Anonymous says:

    this isn't about health care, hell barry is killing soldiers faster than cigarettes anyways.

    It is about taxes. They are banning the sale on the bases, not the use of cigarettes. On base you don't pay the taxes like you do off base. Now they will force all their military smokers to buy their addiction off base and pay all the extra tax.

    In politics it's always about the money. They don't really care if we are healthy or happy, just that we are paying.

  41. RIX ARE FOR KIDS says:

    Rix, wasn't ripping, was going on memory.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Every single day it seems, more now then ever they are taking our rights away. One by One.

  43. you all missed the point says:

    Second hand smoke.

  44. Anonymous says:

    Rix:

    Mary Magdalene and Rahab were not lauded as a result of their harlotry, but as a result of their obedience to God in their unique situations. God wasn't condoning their lifestyles, but rewarding their response to Him.

    Lisa in TX

  45. THE COSMOS says:

    Is not denying God, the unforgivable sin? Argue over prostitution and harlotry all ya want Rix. Don't miss the big picture.

  46. Rix says:

    Lisa in TX:
    My point was, God was neither condoning nor condemning prostitution but leaves it for us to judge.

    Re: THE COSMOS
    As a natural consequence of me being an atheist, I don't believe in sin and place no special value on human life; I am, however, well versed in Judeo-Christian theology and respect others' right to their beliefs.

    There is also a joke that for us Israelis, the Bible is not a Holy Book but rather a tourist guide. :)

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